Comments on: AG asks NM Supreme Court to deny Bent’s petition

By: david mead

david mead — Fri, 23 Oct 2009 16:59:40 +0000

Johnny, interesting question.

If Wayne Bent were the fourth or fifth messiah to do what he has done with women and under aged children, we know how his Strong City followers would vote. To them, nothing would matter, as long as it was their god (Wayne) who did it. Milton is exhibit A for how they think and for what they believe.

He claims to be the second, but Sam has exposed that error. Any search on the internet will reveal how often Wayne’s folly happens in cults. Father Yod and a host of others were doing it all with Scriptures before Wayne found came along.

By: Johnny D. Miller

Johnny D. Miller — Fri, 23 Oct 2009 16:39:27 +0000

I would attempt to offer some food for thought for my former brethren of the LOR. This for the sake of arguement only. But consider it closely. Wayne has said and Strong City has agreed that Wayne Bent had a special annointing from heaven to be messiah. Wayne has said that he had more right than even a doctor who practices medicine to administer his form of healing to unclothed underage female devoltees and followers. Lets said for arguement sake only that these things are true, accepted and known by all men. Wayne Bent was innocent of everything, everybody knew it and business goes on as normal. Along comes another ordained minister of the gospel with over 20 years experience as a respected pastor, lets choose his background, lets say a Morman, or a Southern Babtist. He leaves his former church, forms a cult with about 50 or so members, purchases land in Union county in New Mexico. He does a study on the Song of Solomon, takes 2 Witnesses who leave their husbands and familys, and chooses 7 Virgins and pours out the plagues onto the earth. He sleeps with his daughter-in-law as well. He calls himself Michael Cow Pastureville. They totally copycat Wayne Bent and Strong City in every detail. He also lays with 2 underage female virgins and does Nude Healing sessions with them as well. One of them has 5 or more of these sessions with Michael alone on his bed. This Michael also deflowers most of the Virgins in his camp, and all of this “new land” is “married” to him as well. The state of New Mexico and the media hear about it. Movies and documentaries are made. The internet is a buzzing as well. this Michael and Strong City is a Mirror of the other one, identical in every way. Michael Cow Pastureville is arrested and charged with the same crimes as was our Michael Travesser, except for two hitches. There is a difference between the two groups. Number One, The second Michael is not Michael Travesser. He is a copycat, an imposter, even though he really believes in his heart that his calling is sincere and from God. And number two. Michael Travesser had never gone to trial, because he had never been turned in, because nobody from the outside of Strong City knew about the underage girls. He had instructed the church to tell no one about it because of the bad possibilities that could come out of it. He exercised a bit of wisdom. It was all a secret kept by Strong City from the world. The jury is now selected for this second Michael’s trial, and low and behold, every jury member for that trial is a resident of Strong City, from Jeff Bent on down the line including Eileen, Wendy, Bill, Jody, Debbie, Faithlily, Kathy, Jerry, Timothy, Travis, Aquinna,and Dale and Kay as alterates. This trial goes the same way as Wayne Bents trial to the letter. National Geographic films it as well. You sit there and see the evidence. Sarah Montoya is this Michael’s court apponted attorney. How would you have ruled? You heard the safe room interviews. Would you have found the second Michael guilty, or not guilty. Would you have accepted this “new” self-sent messial, who was a copycat? You did not know his character in the same way that you did know Wayne Bent’s character. This second Michael touched nude little girls like a doctor to heal them while he was nude himself. Would you have locked him up? There can only be one Michael Travesser, only one messiah. Do you remember when another former minister of the LOR wanted to copycat Wayne and have two witnesses, and he was quickly shut down? Put yourself in that world of outsiders seeing and hearing about these things for the first time as did this unsuspecting world who ended up hearding about Michael Travesser. Was the state of New Mexico wrong to protect her citizens? Was the media only doing it’s job? Were the parents of the children involved correct in turning in their former pastor? You judge! Where does it all end? Did the world need another messiah besides Jesus Christ? What was wrong with Jesus? Wasn’t his death on the cross enough in your eyes? Did Jesus have to touch nude little girls? Consider my senario carefully. I did, and I know how I would have ruled as well. The world represented in Union county New Mexico saw this Wayne Bent as a real threat, rightfully so, as would you also perhaps would have seen Michael Cow Pastureville as a real threat to your closed sociey. There can only be one messiah. I would like to hear some comments on what I have offered as food for thought from everyone.

By: Diane

Diane — Fri, 23 Oct 2009 15:13:49 +0000

Can people really atone for crimes like that? Wired is just a term that I used. What would you call it then Whisperwind? Is this just normal perverted behavior?

By: whisperwind

whisperwind — Fri, 23 Oct 2009 14:45:44 +0000

Diane, it is a very sad day when people come to the conclusion that men are wired for sexual predation and that a terrible mistake can never have an atonement.

By: Diane

Diane — Fri, 23 Oct 2009 14:06:03 +0000

Judge Baca obviously had a good reason for his sentencing of Bent and regardless if we agree with it/him or not, is it really for us to say? And who are we to say what Bent did to these girls was “a minor offense”. These minor offenses will have long lasting effects on the victims. We can sit here and debate it all day long but it isn’t going to change anything and only make people mad at each other.
Anonymous One says: “But I think I’m starting to slowly change my mind about that. Because he’s never going to believe he did anything to these girls. He’s never going to feel remorseful either. He doesn’t care that he stole their innocence away from them, or alienated and manipulated his own sons’ wife into bed. All WB can do is sit in prison and worry about his food. FOOD. Which is the LEAST of his troubles. He has created alot of damage and I think he should sit there in prison until he comes to the realization that he what he has done is wrong, and that he should pay for those crimes.” That is so true and his behavior in court also played a part in his sentencing. Those girls were being groomed by Bent and his lady friends for these consummations, is that not predator behavior?
Sam, do you know what the recidivism rate is in the United States for minor sex crimes? What is the likelihood of the re-offender committing a more serious crime the second or third time around? I believe that sex criminals are destined to strike again. They have a craving disorder and it’s not like an infection that can be cured.
I was so angry yesterday and I posted how I felt, and for that I’m called misguided, a distorted thinker. Every day when I turn on the news or open the paper, a child is missing, a young girl has been raped & killed, celebrity sex scandals, David Letterman, Steve Philips (ESPN), John Edwards affair, Madoff’s cocaine fueled sex parties, etc etc etc. With the exception of the 28 year old Sunday school teacher, Melissa Huckaby, granddaughter of a Baptist Church Pastor, all of these crimes/scandals are committed by men. Obviously men are wired differently than women. I don’t know, I’m not an expert on anything but it sure sickens the hell out of me.
It’s a scary world out there, not safe for women or children to be outside anymore alone. Parents get mad because they’re children are parked in front of the television set, computer, Nintendo, texting, etc. but at least they are safe at home.

By: Anonymous One

Anonymous One — Fri, 23 Oct 2009 07:11:20 +0000

I have pretty much felt like WB’s sentence was draconian and didn’t fit the crime. But I think I’m starting to slowly change my mind about that. Because he’s never going to believe he did anything to these girls. He’s never going to feel remorseful either. He doesn’t care that he stole their innocence away from them, or alienated and manipulated his own sons’ wife into bed.

All WB can do is sit in prison and worry about his food. FOOD. Which is the LEAST of his troubles. He has created alot of damage and I think he should sit there in prison until he comes to the realization that he what he has done is wrong, and that he should pay for those crimes.

Sure, these girls can move on in their lives, and they can go on to be happy, but there will always be that time in their life that is never erased.

And Diane, I think my jaw dropped when it came on CNN this morning about that precious little girl. I think it too has stirred up some anger me about our children being hurt.

By: Casidi

Casidi — Fri, 23 Oct 2009 06:44:21 +0000

Milton, Like I said, I don’t “get” your interpretation of the bible and I asked nicely that you not use bible references without answering “Yes” or “No”. Maybe I’m a freaking stupid idiot, but really I don’t understand your INTERPRETATION of the bible passages you reference. Is it really that hard to be honest and straight forward? Do you always need to twist bible passages? How freaking hard is it to type Y-E-S or N-O or are you such a freaking automaton that you can’t speak for yourself? Man, you can’t even follow simple direction.

You know what, never mind, I see you are so completely mind controlled. I’m done with you… nothing you have to say from here on is of any importance in anything because you are a robot just spewing what you want to hear. I actually wanted to hear what *YOU* had to say and you couldn’t even have a single original thought. I pity you.

By: Milton

Milton — Fri, 23 Oct 2009 06:06:19 +0000

Casidi, I will ask you a couple of questions that will answer the ones you asked.

Moses was given the law of God on two tables of stone. They were written by the finger of God. One of the ten says, “Thou shalt not kill.” Right after receiving those ten commandments he came down off the mountain and is was not long until many of his own countrymen were dead. They were slain by the sword at his command.

Question: Did Moses respect the law of God that he received?

Question: Did Moses break that law in commanding the death of all who disobeyed?

Question: Is it possible that he was really keeping the law, in when he began jdccalling for the death of his own brethren?

Question: What would the newspapers and court system of the Canaanities say? Would they say he was unrespeakul of he very law writtn by the finger of God? Would they possibly call him crazy and say he needed psychiatric care?

The answers to these questions will answer the ones you asked me.

Milton

By: whisperwind

whisperwind — Fri, 23 Oct 2009 05:46:26 +0000

While the sexualization of children is not new or rare, it is unacceptable for me to surrender to its malignancy. I think the solution to the case taking place in Florida right now is evident. Wayne’s case is just as evident. A sexual offender who will not or can not comprehend the repugnancy of their behavior is best separated from those who may be vulnerable. Ban him to strong city some say, which would be fine if there was any way you could be assured that a voice, or his witnesses and virgins wouldn’t come along and tell him to do something very esoterical. I think these folks have lost just about any credibility they may have had to be able to rationally govern themselves.

By: david mead

david mead — Fri, 23 Oct 2009 04:27:35 +0000

Was it a debate Sam, that you thought I was entering into? Did you think me the captain of a high school debate squad? Sorry to disappoint you. Actually, it seems to me that it might be the case that we just disagree on this one point. Not so amazing is it?

Wouldn’t you agree that when a judge or jury look at a particular case, they look at more than just the moment of the crime? Even character witnesses (other people’s opinions) are presented for their evaluation This is why I compared the two men (which you introduced for us) and also their crimes. You did intend to compare them didn’t you, not just the sentences, but also the crimes for which the sentences came? At least I thought that is what you intended.

I accept that you see both crimes as similar (Jean Val Jean’s who stole a loaf of bread for his starving family and Wayne’s) unless I am mistaken. I do not. I see no similarity at all. And I see no need to debate it. We just disagree. I honor your view and comparison but do not share it. Some of your arguments for it are persuasive, for instance when looking at it in a purely technical or forensic manner. I just prefer to look at the larger picture and at all the greater damage done to those involved, something that I think should not be ignored. And as I said, a society that ignores it, does so at it’s own peril. This is not to say that there is no danger of disproportionate sentencing. There is., and I would stand with you on that wherever it might happen, but in this man’s opinion, this is not one of them.

I’m glad you still like me. The feeling is mutual.