Newspaper obtains State's motion to "monitor" welfare of Strong City flock

Jeff Bent wrote about it on his church’s blog early Friday evening, and now the Albuquerque Journal‘s Web site has just published a similar story about the State’s apparent effort to check-in on the welfare of nearly 50-members of the Lord Our Righteousness church near Clayton, New Mexico.

Church leader Wayne Bent and many—if not all—of his followers are now 16 days into their “final fast”, and according to their Web site, they began going without water Friday.

Here’s an excerpt from the Albuquerque Journal’s article as it appeared on abq.com (subscription required) shortly after midnight Saturday (PST):

The Journal received a copy from Jeff Bent of a DA’s Office motion filed in District Court on Friday that asks a judge “to continue to allow the Union County Sheriff’s Office and medical personnel if necessary to monitor the welfare of these individuals.” The motion says “approximately 46 people are in jeopardy of harm from starvation and may not be competent … to look after their own health and safety” because of Bent’s influence.

The newspaper also reports that Bent’s attorney, Sarah Montoya, is concerned that the State may forcibly remove people from the church’s property.

Wayne Bent is scheduled to go to trial November 17.  He is charged with having had sexual contact with two girls and with contributing to the delinquency of minors.

According to Jeff Bent’s Friday evening post on strongcity.info:

The order specifies the names of three individuals are to be removed from Strong City by force and taken to Las Vegas for mental health evaluation.

Beyond90Seconds.com spoke by telephone with District Attorney Donald Gallegos on Thursday afternoon.  When asked if his office was concerned about the welfare of the people living on the LOR’s property, Gallegos said, “Yes.”

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83 Responses to “Newspaper obtains State's motion to "monitor" welfare of Strong City flock”

  1. avatar
    ron 27. Oct, 2008 at 8:25 am #

    I can see you point.

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    David 27. Oct, 2008 at 9:08 am #

    Claire…we can still pray. :)

  3. avatar
    Claire C. 27. Oct, 2008 at 9:44 am #

    Yes, you are so right. That, we can do.

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    Angela 27. Oct, 2008 at 10:18 am #

    KM, I understand, but if they are definitely fasting from water, there is little time. I would not be waiting for court orders.
    Wayne stated that they live on a sea of glass and that all they do is transparent. If that’s true, then the family should be able to enter their land to check in on their relatives. Maybe I’m missing something here. What is Wayne Bent going to do if family crowds at their gate demanding to see their families? What would they do if they walked in and demanded to see them?

    It will be interesting to see what happens in the next 24 hours. Without disrespect to anyone here, there is no possible way anyone can go past 3 days without water. Not in all the years I worked as a nurse, have I heard of someone surviving dehydration to that extent. Organs begin to shut down quickly.

    I would be extremely angered if people were lying about this fast, playing games and worrying those who love them.

    We will know when November 3rd comes, if the women that have been called to appear in court, will show.

    I also know that there is a possible chance that they are lying to the authorities, when they entered their land to check on them about their fast. If anyone appeared ill and near death, EMT’s and more police would have been called in. So my question here is, are they truly fasting and going without water? Or is this a ploy?

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    KM 27. Oct, 2008 at 11:13 am #

    Angela, It’s hard to know because although they are supposedly transparent there are a lot of secrets. I’m not a part of the LOR just live in the area so this is all speculation on my part.

    The area they live in is remote and from what I can tell it’s a gated community. I don’t think anyone can even get close to it without them knowing that someone is there. That said, I don’t think there are actual guards with weapons. It’s just a control issue and I guess the families have tried to respect their family members right of religious freedom. If someone demanded to see their family they would probably be told they don’t want to see you. WB says that anyone can leave anytime they want but it doesn’t seem to happen very often. If a group of people were camped at my gate though it seems like it would be a little unnerving for the people on the other side of the gate.

    The SP didn’t have a search warrant and they had only just started the no water fast the day they were checked so it’s very possible that none of the people they actually checked looked ill. But, if they get to that point and law enforcement/EMT’s or even family found them they could transport them against their will. You’re absolutely right about dehydration. Not only do your organs shut down but your mind plays tricks on you. It’s a very unpleasant way to die.
    So if they are truly fasting something needs to be done quickly.

    From the many posts I’ve read back through the years it would not be unheard of him to be playing games, it sounds like it’s part of his modus operandi. I don’t know what happened with the court order today and I don’t know if he’s required to appear for the status hearing tomorrow or if it’s just by phone. If he is and doesn’t show that will cause him lots of problems.

    And like you said whoever is posting on here, Wayne or Jeff, has not been on a complete fast for 18 days. They are too functional and lucid.

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    CryTears 27. Oct, 2008 at 4:10 pm #

    In scripture is written in Matthew, Jesus tells us to fast and pray IN SECRET! To tell NO ONE!
    oreh
    SOP has lots to say about fasting as well, that it is always to be done in private and to spend this time in prayer.
    No where does scripture state that fasting be done as a “tantrum” plus spewing out vitriolic messages on the internet.
    Or do they not use scripture any longer>

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    Angela 27. Oct, 2008 at 9:10 pm #

    Has anyone had contact with the people on their fast?
    I was speaking with an internal specialist at work last night who said after 72 hours of no water, they would be near death, or already dead. If they began drinking no more water on Friday, or Saturday, then they would not have anyone there alive on the land.

    I have to say this again, will anyone be going out to check on these folks?

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    Angela 27. Oct, 2008 at 9:13 pm #

    It just occured to me that 7 women of this church were served with an order to appear before the DA. So if they were served on Monday, that means they were found alive. And that would make these women, including the girl Bernice a liar. According to Bernice’s letter, she was off water Friday.

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    CryTears 28. Oct, 2008 at 3:04 am #

    so who has been on the “off water” fast the longest?
    If its mr wayne, perhaps he’s already translated/changed to the next “level”.
    I knew they would end up pulling the suicide card out because wayne has painted himself into a corner.
    This is very sad indeed.
    People who’re loosing loved ones there, I really am sorry this has happened.
    Please don’t be angery with God because this was never about God…it was all about wayne bents ego and need for control.
    Google search “personality disorder”, “Narsissist” and “Control freaks”…you will read all about wayne bent down to the last paragraph.
    Will be like was written to describe him!
    and I know exactly why this all happened with the sexual crimes. I will write what I learned long ago in my next post.
    My heart goes out to those who had/have loved ones there in SC.
    I think thats the end of THAT cult, but sadly won’t be the end of all cults.
    There will be much more believable false prophets who will perform miracles.
    Wayne Bent has been off the charts rediculous and almost laughable….but when another one comes along, we must watch out for even the very elect may be decieved.

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    Prudence 28. Oct, 2008 at 3:14 am #

    I have a couple of questions for Jeff. Since he lives on a Sea Of Glass.

    Are you Eating, or Drinking ANYTHING?

    I heard yesterday that you are.

    The other message to you Jeff, I have NEVER ridiculed my mother. And she is not on my website, and hasn’t been for some time now. I was responding to her ridicule of me. I love her… I always have.

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    raycot 28. Oct, 2008 at 4:11 am #

    “Yesterday Attorney Sarah Montoya filed a Motion for Injunctive Relief to prevent further warrant-less searches on our land by police and to provide relief from harassment by legal entities of the state.”

    If something unfortunate happens to any of these people, just remember that it was their choice and there was nothing that anyone outside SC could do about it. It’s not the DA’s fault, it’s not the State’s fault, and it certainly isn’t the fault of any of us. There may be a way, however, to hold Mr. Bent and others accountable for their culpability in all of this….weaseling and obfuscation notwithstanding.

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    Sam Redman 28. Oct, 2008 at 6:53 am #

    Looking at Jeff Bent’s comments, I seriously wonder what is the purpose of his assertions and the nature of his latest internet posting tactic. Who is he talking to? He said that he was puzzled why they would want to get testimony from the seven women, who weren’t involved or present when the “alleged” sexual crimes took place. But, any knowledgeable person (and he’s too aware of what’s going on not to be considered knowledgeable) knows why they would be going to subpoena the seven women. Those ladies will be able to describe and testify to the atmosphere and climate and mind-set of the females there (and the mind-set of Wayne Bent), who somehow are all able to, without Bent’s orders, end up in his bed. They will be able to affirm that the various documents and teachings, which they all relied upon, were what caused them (of course,they will say that this was done with telepathic communications from someone they call Father, who may be Wayne or some strange spirit voice). A jury, which would hear how they were all somehow compelled, each in the same way, to get naked and have sex with Wayne, will be able to easily understand the mind control and not-so-subtle compulsion techniques, which the under-aged virgins were also under (and if it is that powerful to adults… children would be more susceptible).

    Of course, Jeff knows why the calling of those women to testify is relevant to the case, but yet he acted (stated) as though it made no sense. Who is he trying to convince? Other members distant from the camp? Is this just a tactic to keep contributions flowing in?

    I have done a lot of reading of the history here. Based on previous deadlines and threats of doom and self-destruction (self-sacrifice and translations), I observed that Wayne always reserves an ace-in-the hole, an “out.” He calls this the “Ram in the Thicket.” This is based on a biblical story about a guy who was sacrificing his son, because he thought God wanted that, and then God let him off by providing a goat (Ram) stuck in a nearby bunch of bushes, which could be sacrificed instead. Wayne seems to come up with these convenient “Rams,” whenever he is coming to a self-threatened final demise.

    So, my prediction is… Wayne will have to call off the fast, because of just such a “Ram.” It will be that he will interpret some kind of a court ruling as a victory or he will see that others in his camp (like Bernice) are going to die and so his spirit master will tell him that he doesn’t have to go on with it. Wayne contends that there are two entities at work here… the human Wayne and the spirit he is possessed with, called “Michael.” Wayne may be the one fasting… his spirit master, “Michael,” might be able to call it off (something like that). Look for the “Ram in the Thicket.” I think it will be coming very soon.

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    Faith 28. Oct, 2008 at 7:19 am #

    Very insightful Sam…I think you summed it up nicely!

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    friend 28. Oct, 2008 at 8:30 am #

    Sam

    Exactly, Michael will call it off. Michael/Wayne Wayne/Michael has also confused when he went off water. Go look at some of the past posts and court documents

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    Tabatha 28. Oct, 2008 at 9:07 am #

    It pains me to see how the media sensationalizes these people’s lives. It is popular for people to thrive on drama. Prudence, you had a picture of your mother on your website for many months until it was removed a couple of weeks ago when you re-fashioned your site. Her picture was there and next to it written “Delivered from Adventist hell? Really?”. I am not attacking you. I’m merely making an observation and giving the truth.

    It is clear to me that everyone in Strong City is being attacked for their religious beliefs. What does the state hope to gain here by going after the seven women, even though two of the D.A.’s witnesses have said that they were not touched sexually? If there were reason enough to believe that these women were molested then why would the state release Willow back to her family? There is no solid reason or they would not have allowed her to go home.

    All of this is slipping through their fingers like sand.

    Many years ago I took a course called “Therapeutic Touch”. It was a method of healing founded by Delores Kreiger. She found that by using TT (therapeutic touch) on hospital patients, their healing was affected greatly. Do you want to know the areas of the body you touch when using TT? The sternum between the breasts of men and women. The upper abdomen beneath the breasts, and oh, on breast cancer patients, sometimes the woman would request a healing where the hands are lightly held above or directly ON the breast. There are other modalities of healing too, which require the touching on a person even near their groin for means of healing.

    What has happened here is the state has taken healing and made it something filthy. In their minds they are thinking filth because they cannot understand anything else. This culture of MTV which disrespects women on a daily basis cannot grasp what is pure anymore.

    I strongly observe that there are people who are feeling extremely angry and want revenge. This is more about you and your wounds than Healed and Matthew. Or anyone else. This is about seeking revenge against someone you hate and would love to see him punished because of your pain. Will punishing Michael take away your hurt? Will you then be able to live in peace? I don’t think you will.

    These actions are hurtful more than healing. You live your lives away from Michael now and have for some time yet you cannot drop your hate, forgive, and move on in your life. Michael has nothing to do with your life now, yet you continue to attack and tear him and everyone else down.

    This website that counters Strong City is sad. It is a sad and depressing site full of people who are angry and in pain. So they lash out and do what they can to attack a peaceful people. You have the choice to move on with your lives and live them or sit back behind a computer every day and spew hate and aggression. I’m praying you find peace in your hearts. I pray that the lies and attacks on what I consider my religious beliefs too end.

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    Tabatha 28. Oct, 2008 at 9:19 am #

    Friend, the angry people and the state can’t have it both ways. If Michael did not call off the fast then you all would sit back and claim they were taking their lives and running from the state. If he calls off the fast it’s because of the ram in the thicket.

    It does not matter what Michael does. Whatever he does the angry people will find a way to shred his actions apart.

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    David 28. Oct, 2008 at 9:26 am #

    Tabatha, if someone should die from fasting, what would you say about that?

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    Justice 28. Oct, 2008 at 9:34 am #

    Angela, Terri Schiavo lived 13 days on no food and no water or liquids of any kind. There were people making sure she didn’t “cheat”. LOR may make it that long as well, but I wouldn’t think much longer.

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    raycot 28. Oct, 2008 at 9:42 am #

    “Friend, the angry people and the state can’t have it both ways. If Michael did not call off the fast then you all would sit back and claim they were taking their lives and running from the state. If he calls off the fast it’s because of the ram in the thicket.

    It does not matter what Michael does. Whatever he does the angry people will find a way to shred his actions apart.”

    It would be a good thing if Wayne was able to call off the fast…for whatever reason. Then people wouldn’t be at risk of dying, and their families wouldn’t have to worry so much. I think everyone would be happy to see that. He has stated though that this is an individual decision by all involved, so perhaps he has no control over it.

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    Sam Redman 28. Oct, 2008 at 9:44 am #

    Tabitha – do you know the meaning of the word, “ironic?” Well, you have defined it with your own words. You are the one who has stood in judgement of people who are merely attempting to look at the case objectively (and also lumped them in with those who say they have been hurt by Wayne). You are indeed the one who is using a computer to “spew hate and aggression.” Plus, you have also “ironically” mischaracterized the set and setting of the environment of the alleged sexual events.

    Have you read the documents? The writings of the child called “Healed” are not about someone wanting healing… they are repeatedly about a girl wanting to be de-flowered, to have her virginity taken, to “consummate,” in other words to have sex. She begs for sex like a slut in a bar. Where did a child get such an idea? In all my years (including growing up through my own teen-age years), I have never known a child who longed for and pleaded to have sexual relations with an adult and especially not with her minister or pastor.

    Your comparison of a therapeutic touching session is simply not an honest comparison. In that course of yours did everyone get naked and go into the private bedroom of the therapist? Did the therapist do any “kissing” of the breasts? You know they didn’t. Yes, I can see that you have adopted the “religion.” You have adopted their same style to “just say anything” to try to prove a point. Well, “Tabitha,” reasonable people aren’t fooled by your totally out of place comparisons. Oh, and by-the-way, the “state” child protective services (not the same court trying Wayne Bent) required that Willow not live on the “land,” although, just as you thought, they probably should have been even more circumspect. She has to live with her father in a house away from the property. Her visits to the “land” have always been well-supervised… no solo bed-time with bongo for Willow this time around.

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    Prudence 28. Oct, 2008 at 9:47 am #

    Tabatha,
    If you read what my mother said she was pointing out the faults of another religion. My point was that the same faults have happened in the religion that she is currently in. 3 weeks ago is “some time” I didn’t say a few months, like Jeff did today about me. His “few” was really 18 months)

    If I would have been ridiculing her…. I would have been pointing out her faults and what a terrible mother she had been. BUT I was not doing that.

    Honestly you have not lived there. So you wouldn’t know how stressful living there is. Sure I have not lived there since JUNE 2004, and I left the Group in DEC 2005 (which is more than a “few months Jeff” BUT I spent 15 years in the group. I pretty much know how things go. The thought processes and why you do the things that you do. Sure they can accuse me of having a BIG chip… BUT look at Wayne’s 43 Page chip…

    If this was all of God, then they wouldn’t have said a word. They would have fasted in secret and let God do the work. BUT NO, they want to advertise. They want to try to manipulate to get what they want. Advertising their fast was like Wayne little suggestions about being naked. Then surprisingly Women start wanting to lay naked beside him.

    You mentioned your classes on touch…. Does each body have to be naked and laying next to each other? Or is it just your hand on their “heart”

    I am not making fun of anyone. Simply stating facts…

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    Mr No Name 28. Oct, 2008 at 9:57 am #

    Tabatha…you forget what you wrote saying you almost got sucked into this cult and how wayne bent kept urging you to let go of your family and your 2 boys came to you telling you they’d be devastated if you’d left.
    You told of how you’ve had to be hospitalized because of depression and your severe mental illness.
    You wrote that you were very thankful that you finally got the big picture of what this man is all about and you worried for his followers.
    You must be off your medications and this is very sad.
    Wayne bent IS all about sex and control and is NOT about the Lord.
    Do you realize he won’t even allow them to have tootpaste!?! And one woman has gone without teeth for years because wayne won’t allow her to buy them!
    Her teeth rotted because of tooth decay and medical neglect!
    Prudence’s mother claims she’s not in pain despite her breast cancer metastatizing all over her body.
    This woman could have had treatment, but wayne wouldn’t allow this! Others have died because he won’t allow them to seek medical attention!
    Do a google search regarding “Narsisstism”, Personality disorder and control freaks”…you will see mr wayne bent in there as clear as day.
    Before they removed their blogs and website on SC, the girls wrote about being naked IN BED with wayne.
    Healed begged him to consumate, have sexual intercourse with her and she threatened suicide.
    These girls said on camera that they laid naked in his bed! THIS is what the state is calling sexual abuse. He also kissed her breast, put his mouth over her nose and mouth and breathed into her…then he kissed her like married people do. That tells anyone he stuck his tongue in her mouth and was NOT just a kiss on the lips!
    I have studied a little about “touch/healing” such as The Tennison Touch and I beleive there is something to this. But this isn’t about touch as they’re making this out to be…its about his putting his lips on her breast, not the clavical! AND about her being naked in his bed…3 girls all say same thing!
    Naked in his bed!….you can read how he “groomed” them for weeks regarding consumation….he was putting these thoughts into their minds long ago.
    Wake up woman! Before its too late for yourself.
    This man is NOT about the Lord and will only lead to death and destruction…just as the other cult leaders before him…Like David Koresh…he did the same thing as Bent is doing.
    YOu need to go back into counceling and stop what you’re doing before you destroy your family!
    This is what satan wants and is leading you into this.
    Wayne will be dead by the 31st and will all be over with…then the true story will come out into the light…he was all about darkness, control and self seeking adulation and demanding others bow down to himself.
    The bible is very clear on way Jesus will return.
    Read your scripture, only then will you know he is a counterfit….a very poor one at that!
    I don’t mean to be ugly towards you, I just am saddened to learn you’ve changed back onto the path of destruction…you know what I am writting is truth!
    Go read scripture, about the way Christ will return.
    Can you beleive a god would only save the 70 there in SC and destroy 6 billion others here on earth?
    Not MY GOD!
    Jesus went about doing good, He was kind and sweet spirited….those in SC are NOT…sure they were to you because they ONLY wanted you to join them, bring your money too! Wanting your SSI checks! Thats who they’re seeking! A gauranteed income for wayne!
    Why else would he have nice modular home to live in while others lived in rusty buckets aka RV’s?
    The boy Matthew lived ALONE in a tiny wooden shack!
    Prudence only spoke of love for her mother…never did she write otherwise! She is very concerned for her not recieving any medical care and will die just like the others have, when wayne claimed to have healed them…then why are they in their graves now?
    You cannot rely on “feelings” because satan can make you “FeeL” “love” or caring towards wayne bent!
    You must rely on what scripture tells you, never by way you feel or think God is whispering in your ear because satan is a cuniving and wiely fox in sheeps clothing.
    You have eternal salvation to loose if you’re wrong and follow this mans teachings.
    May God give you that “wakeup” call again!, Soon!

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    Tabatha 28. Oct, 2008 at 11:14 am #

    “Tabatha…you forget what you wrote saying you almost got sucked into this cult and how wayne bent kept urging you to let go of your family and your 2 boys came to you telling you they’d be devastated if you’d left.
    You told of how you’ve had to be hospitalized because of depression and your severe mental illness.”

    You must have me mistaken for someone else that you know. I do not have two sons, and I have never been diagnosed with a mental illness. In all my communications with Michael which was once or twice, he never influenced my thoughts or choices. I also have no desire to go to Strong City and I’ve stated so. I do not understand where you’re getting your information? The other woman I spoke with never influenced any of my decisions or personal choices either. I’d like to state I’m quite grounded in my own thinking and I have a mind of my own. Maybe that concept is difficult for you to understand? You left strong city on your own accord did you not? No one restrained you.

    I can see how angry all of you are. But that does not change the fact that Healed wrote a letter to the D.A. requesting not to be a witness. She has stated that she was not sexually touched. Why are you casting off what the witness herself is saying and replacing it with what you want it to be? You don’t believe for a moment that the state is capble of being dishonest. I can tell you that they can be. I know this for myself. They can take a witness into a room and force them and harass them to say anything or distort words and perceptions.

    You know what is interesting here is the fact that the court will not give Healed a guardian ad litem. And they denied her request to not testify. She deserves to have her rights protected, including religious rights.

    Why are you blaming Michael for the choices people make about their own health concerns? Were some of you restrained physcially from leaving the land to get health care?

    Prudence, I never said you didn’t love your mother. I simply stated the truth; you kept a picture up on your site in a manner which chastised her.

    I have absolutely no knowledge about what health concerns your mother has. If you are this worried and the situation dire, then why not as someone else wrote go to the land yourself and see how your mother is?

    When I speak of using Therapeutic Touch as in a hospital setting, yes, some patients are not fully clothed. Does that make it dirty? Some people in many healing circles depending on culture or belief choose to not be clothed, including people who go to a massage therapist. Does that make it dirty? You choose to take what is one’s spiritual belief and taint it with your own perception of what is filth or molestation. Healed herself said she was not sexually touched.

    I’m not trying to be rude to you. I simply feel that you are after revenge. This is not about the people at Strong City it’s about you and your wounds.

    Raycot and David; Should Michael choose to end this fast or continue with it I will respect what he is doing and understand the reason behind it. It’s not my right to tell someone else what to believe and what they should or should not do.

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    Tabatha 28. Oct, 2008 at 11:20 am #

    Mr No name (who cannot use his real name) wrote to me;

    “Wake up woman! Before its too late for yourself.”

    My name is Tabatha. Please call me by my name. Do not condescendingly speak down to me. Thank you.

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    raycot 28. Oct, 2008 at 11:31 am #

    “It’s not my right to tell someone else what to believe and what they should or should not do.”

    Tabatha

    28 Oct 08 at 11:14 am

    Which includes us, I assume?

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    Mr No Name/ John Doe 28. Oct, 2008 at 1:34 pm #

    OK…Tabatha…I mistakenly took you for another person and you are not the person who changed her mind, me culpa!
    But I will say, miss Healed begged for wayne to have sex with her numerous times, begged and begged him to the point she was going to kill herself!
    He had groomed her for a very long time regarding “The consumation”.
    This was written all over her blogs, is too bad these have been removed or you could read them for yourself.
    I have never been sucked into a cult, and I’ve never been in SC or under anyones spiritual guidence except God himself.
    I’m no prude what so ever, have served in Law enforcment and know how “things” can get out of hand or mishandled.
    The charges mr bent is facing is for his crime of having children lay naked AND his kissing their breast!
    Of course healed doesn’t want her “god” to be in trouble, therefore she’s changed her story and is refusing to testify against him.
    Like many victims always going back to the abuser because they know what is “normal” for them, even if its a sick situation and back into abusive conditions.
    When I was beaten by my parent, I was forced by my other parent to drop all charges, never mind I was beaten like a man when I was a young child.
    Sadly the CPS was not what is today or he’d be in jail. So I went back into the abusive home only because its all I knew, not to mention the thought of my father going to jail!
    Is same way with Healed.
    She is the victim here and is clearly acting her part.
    When she gets older she will become so angry she will spend the rest of her life in counceling.
    And if you’re so inclinded to give your name…then why not use your full name, address, phone info, etc?
    What I have to say here doesn’t matter what name I’ve given…not many would be brave enough to give their real name…there ARE lurkers out there, some pretty bad ones I might add…so no thanks…I will remain anon.
    Go ahead and defend wayne bent all you want!
    I just wonder why you are so inclinded to defend one who molest children?! Gotta be pretty sick when one is on the side of those who destroy people like bent has.
    Mr annonymiss No Name! John Doe.
    Or if it makes you feel better
    Mr Robert F Williams

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    CryTears 28. Oct, 2008 at 2:05 pm #

    My husband just read this to me, is in book written by EGW “The Great Controversy” pg 591
    God Never forces the will or the conscience;
    But satans constant resort…
    to gain control of those whom he cannot otherwise seduce…his compulsion by cruelty.
    Thru fear or force he endevors to rule the conscience and to secure homage to himself.

    Think of how Mr Bent has treated those who live in SC, when you read those lines above here.
    Is exactly how satan began his journey out of heaven…he wanted the glory and homage Jesus was getting so he threw a tantrum, gathered a third of the angels together…
    I’m sure there was no talk of his evil plans and the angels he gathered together on his side felt God was unfair, so they wanted to do things thier own way!
    Never mind what Gods ways were!
    talk about a great deceiver!
    He decieved even the angels living in heaven and came to earth to destroy Gods creation.
    See any similarities here?
    Here’s another great one in same book, page 595.
    Satan is constantly endevoring to attract attention to MAN in the place of God.
    He leads the people to look to Bishops, to pastors, to professors of theology as their guides, instead of seraching the scriptures to learn their duty for themselves.
    Then, by controlling the minds of these leaders,
    he (satan) can influence the multitudes according to his will.

    There you have it folks…right out of SOP, the words of a great woman who had much insight for us years ago and today.
    I’m sure if she were alive today, she’d pen volumes chatising wayne bent for what he’s done.
    Talk about right on the mark here!
    Looks like satans done with wayne now…and we all know what happens to those whom satans no longer using. Is always a very ugly and graphic ending.
    As well as eternal punishment and damnation afterwards.
    We all must learn from this, to keep our eyes on the Lord and never selves….or we too can fall in same trap.

    In reading above…are we to use our real names here? I’m not comfy with that because of too many bad lurkers out there. Whats the point anyway?!

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    CryTears 28. Oct, 2008 at 2:17 pm #

    Here’s a bit more, is a very important message.
    Same book, pg 597
    “Satan secures multitudes to himself by attacthing them by the silken cords of affection to those who are enemies of the cross of Christ.
    Whatever this attatchement may be, parental, filial, congecal, or social, the effect is the same;
    the opposers of truth exert their power to control the conscience and the souls held under their sway have not sufficient courage or independance to obey their own convictions of duty.”

    And from the word of God Hiself in Prov 16:25
    There is a way that seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death!

    These are pretty heavy and very daming words when you think of Mr WayBent and how he’s leading them to follow him into death!
    If this isn’t the truth here, then there IS no truth!

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    CryTears 28. Oct, 2008 at 2:20 pm #

    And from the word of God Hiself in:
    Prov 16:25

    “There is a way that seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death”!

    This verse just jumped out at me again, I just had to share it again incase you missed it…wow, wow WOW!

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    Sam Redman 28. Oct, 2008 at 2:37 pm #

    Perhaps you didn’t realize that many of the writings of “Healed” are available here on the beyond90seconds.com site. Certainly, everything you need to read about “Healed” wanting sex desperately are right here:

    http://markhorner.com/Wayne_Bent/writings/The_vision_page_eight.html

    There are more documents where she talks about her sexual desires and her experiences, but in this one is very clear, plus it is very apparent that she, in her words, “had to lay naked and skin-to-skin” (she mentions “skin to skin” 17 times) that’s very descriptive of what occured in Wayne’s bedroom that night. Wayne, in the same document says “I pressed her to me skin to skin.” This is what the criminal charges are exactly about (an adult male inappropriately laying skin-to-skin with a naked child in his bed).

    And she didn’t just lay naked with Wayne one time… he happened a lot. She writes this in another document,

    “The first time I had laid skin to skin with Michael I became aware that I had this unsettled feeling but I could not identify what is was. It was almost like there was something in me that was not giving over to Him completely. And I had felt it each time I laid naked with Michael.”

    You can read that writing of “Healed” here:

    http://markhorner.com/Wayne_Bent/writings/The_vision_page_nine.html

    So maybe you can see why the District Attorney doesn’t put much stock in a changed testimony.

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    Sam Redman 28. Oct, 2008 at 2:59 pm #

    Sorry, the first link in my previous post should have been this one:

    http://markhorner.com/Wayne_Bent/writings/The_vision_page_eight.html

    Hopefully, Mark would be kind enough to make that edit for me to avoid confusion here.

  32. avatar
    Beyond90Seconds 28. Oct, 2008 at 3:12 pm #

    Correction made.

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    Prudence 28. Oct, 2008 at 3:20 pm #

    Tabatha, You mentioned about my mothers “condition” My mother is dying. She has cancer. When My sister and I found out, we both talked about taking care of her. I was willing to move back to NM and be by her side till her time on earth was done. YES JEFF, I was willing to wipe her bottom indefinitely (more than 6 months) I have always said that my parents will NEVER go to a nursing home. I would LOVE to take care of them when that time comes. BUT they don’t want that because I am not their daughter anymore. My dad has not said that, but my mother has disowned me SEVERAL times through the years. Her heart doesn’t want to, but when Wayne would have a meeting or put on a post about “earthly relatives” she would disown us again. My mother wouldn’t see me, I am not sure about my dad. My mother did say she loved me the other day… I got that second hand. I know that she can’t help but do the disown thing. When Wayne would contact his relatives, then other people would contact their relatives, then when Wayne would stop, everyone else stops… It is called Follow the leader. Which is normal for ALL religions.

    The other Thing Tabatha:

    I wanted to make this part clear. You said that The person that is giving the massage and the person that is getting it are BOTH NAKED? Laying “chest to chest” Whatever you want to call it. I think that a priest sucking on a little boy’s penis is wrong too… so it doesn’t matter to me if it is part of a religion or not.

    If my parents would see me, I would be there in a minute.