Update (October 24, 6:47pm PST): WAYNE BENT’S SON HAS JUST POSTED THE FOLLOWING HEADLINE AND BRIEF STORY ON THE CHURCH’S WEB SITE:
D.A. Planning Raid on Strong City
by Jeff Bent | 7:38 PM
I was informed by individuals “in the know” this evening that Deputy District Attorney Tomás Benavidez is trying to obtain a court order against our land this evening. The order specifies the names of three individuals are to be removed from Strong City by force and taken to Las Vegas for mental health evaluation. The order further stipulates that we must allow the sheriff’s office and emergency services to enter the property for the purpose of monitoring the welfare of the members of our church who live here. I learned later that Mr. Benavidez was unsuccessful in finding a judge to sign the order, and that the matter may be shelved until Monday. More to follow …
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(October 22) In a six page Emergency Motion for Evidentiary Hearing filed by the defense on October 16, the plan seemed fairly simple and direct: Convince Judge Gerald E. Baca to allow Wayne Bent’s alleged victims to testify prior to trial. Get that to happen, and surely the judge would dismiss a case that would have unnecessarily consumed the court’s precious time and taxpayer money.
One problem: On Monday, the Honorable Judge Baca denied that motion.
If there is to be testimony given by the two girls whom the State has so forcefully argued were touched in a sexual way by Mr. Bent, then it’ll have to come during the church leader’s trial set to begin November 17.
The set-back for the defense is the latest in a series of rulings that have not gone Bent’s way.
Earlier this month, Bent ended his 100-day long “word fast” and embarked upon a food fast, vowing:
…and I will not eat or drink again until I eat and drink anew with those whom Father has given me, in my Father’s kingdom.
On his blog today, Bent writes that he’s been fasting for 12 days.
CALLING QUANTICO
On October 7, Deputy District Attorney Tomas R. Benavidez filed a motion to have the original October 20 trial date rescheduled. In his Motion to Continue, Benavidez included seven grounds for postponing the trial. Ground number 3 contended that the State was overwhelmed by a heavy docket.
Grounds numbers 5 and 6 offered insights into how the State was putting together its case against the man who has long-led The Lord Our Righteousness Church (living with his Two Witnesses, Seven Virgins and assembled flock near Clayton, New Mexico):
5. The State is in the process of identifying (an) expert witness, a juvenile forensic psychologist.
6. The State is in the process of identifying a person who has either been published or is an acknowledged expert in the (area) of “Religious Followers”. We have been working with a Behavior Analysis Unit in Quantico, VA, who has been on travel for the FBI since the first of October. We had scheduled a conference with the agent and his team on Friday the 26th day of October, 2008.
One day after that Motion to Continue was filed, word came that the jury trial had been bumped to November 17 (the actual Order of Continuance came two days after the State filed its motion).
On October 8, a Notice of Hearing (telephonic) informed attorneys on both sides that a Status Conference had been scheduled for Tuesday, October 28 at 10am.
ALLEGED “PARROTING”
On October 2, the State set-out to defeat two defense motions seemingly aimed at fracturing the prosecution’s grip on its two most important witnesses; the alleged victims.
In its response to the Defendant’s Motion to Dismiss as to State’s Witness L.S., the State asked the judge to deny the motion for several reasons, including:
The Defendant has admitted in a statement taken by New Mexico State Police Agent Matthew Martinez, on August 2nd, 2008 and in his Grand Jury testimony that he did touch L.S. in his bedroom when they were unclothed.
L.S. disclosed in the safe room interview and in the requested interview with the Defendant’s Attorney that she was touched on her intimate part to wit, her “breast”, by the defendant.
The State’s response also addressed a possible “freedom of religion” argument from Bent’s side:
There is no constitutional or religious exception to Criminal Sexual Contact of a Minor or Contributing to the Delinquency of a minor.
And appearing a bit later in the same document:
It is well settled by case law that where religious practice clashes with criminal acts that there is no constitutional or other religious protection against such offender that should shield him from being criminally prosecuted for such a violation.
The language from the State—especially the assertions about what L.S. had reportedly told a State Police Agent and mentioned in a safe house interview—has apparently become all too familiar to Bent’s attorney, Sarah Montoya.
In the Emergency Motion for Evidentiary Hearing, ultimately denied by Judge Baca this week, Montoya had argued:
The Court should determine if there are real disputes or if the evidence, as framed by the taking of testimony from the state’s two material witnesses, can sustain a conviction. This is what Foulenfont (State v. Foulenfont) has to mean, that this Court can weigh conflicting facts, or every Foulenfont motion could be defeated by the state parroting what they perceive to be facts in dispute.
The prosection kept busy on October 2, attempting to fend-off motions filed by Bent’s attorney.
In its response to a defense request that L.S be appointed a Guardian Ad Litem, the prosecution enumerated 12 grounds for denying the motion. Ground number 10 addressed the familiar concern about religious protection:
A Defendant does not have the right to hide behind the religious protection of the United States Constitution when he is unclothed in the presence of a minor between the age of 13 to 18, when he is in a position of authority, he is unclothed in his bedroom and makes contact with his unclothed parts of his person and makes contact with the unclothed intimate part of the victim.
The final ground (number 12) for not appointing a Guardian Ad Litem, the State argued, noted that the child now lives with her “current guardians.” Her parents.
On October 14, Judge Baca denied Ms. Montoya’s request to have a Guardian Ad Litem appointed to L.S.
BOILING IT ALL DOWN
So, what can one surmise from this most recent flurry of motions filed in the Wayne Bent case? Clearly, religious freedom will be addressed. This post has already addressed some of what the State of New Mexico has argued concerning this topic.
Now, here’s an excerpt concerning religion written by Bent’s attorney in her Emergency Motion for Evidentiary Hearing:
It is significant that the Defendant and at least one of the witnesses have claimed all along that the meeting between the two individuals was for a religious healing and each of them should be afforded their 1st Amendment right under the Constitution of the United States of America to practice freedom of religion.
In its story about Monday’s denial of the Emergency Motion for Evidentiary Hearing, the Albuquerque Journal began:
The space between the collarbone and a girl’s breast could be the difference between guilt or innocence for a New Mexico cult leader accused of sex crimes.
A catchy lead with an explanation that unfolded in the final paragraphs of the story:
The girls initially said that they were naked while Bent kissed them, according to State Police documents. One of the girls said he touched and kissed her breasts.
But Montoya said Monday that both girls have since denied that the encounters were anything illegal. She said the girl told her in an interview that the kissing happened near her clavicle and not on her breast.
“This has been blown out of proportion by the media and the District Attorney’s Office,” Montoya said.
More than anything, this case seems to come down to what two girls will—or won’t—say if called to the stand. And, at this point, it seems quite likely that they will be called to testify.
Now, talk about your Two Witnesses.
With only the threat of eternal damnation, there is no coersion or force needed!
What a shame it all turned out this way. StrongCity seemed to be so filled with promise in the beginning…before the two witnesses incident, that is. That should have been the wake-up call.
“Trudy: How can I answer you? Nothing goes in? You speak so wonderfully loving, but the real world escapes you.”
You escaped the real world long ago, Wayne. Now, thanks to your love of media exposure, it has caught up to you again. How ironic that your path has led you to a place where none but your victims will feel any pity for you.
Wayne,
First let me repeat your own words here. “When we speak we only speak to ourselves.”
Here are your words.
“How can I answer you? Nothing goes in? You speak so wonderfully loving, but the real world escapes you.”
I was not the one that came out there and tryed to do you in. I was not the one that fliped off my mom. I was not the one in the car when the motor blew.
I also just talked to the athorities and I was never asked to not contact any of you. SO,I am in complete obedience with them. I have done nothing wrong.
You know why Shiloh came to your house and was angry with you and you told me that you did not blame him. You would have been angry also. So there is a reason that he come out there the way that he did. When I came out to visit with you concerning the matter that Shiloh came there for, I feel that I tried to understand your point of view and I told you that I believed you and so I droped it. I was nice to you, even though when I got there I was a bit upset. I held it in and listened to you tell me what the truth was according to you. I have never said that my mom did not love me. You are the one trying to convince me, that I do not love her. I know that my mom loves me. Even though she has disowned me for the sake of eternal life. I do not judge her for that. I know that God sees her heart and knows that she loves him and will give up anything for him. (her husband, children, grandchildren, parents, sister….. ) Even her own life. It is fine that she does not have anything to say to me. She does not even need to tell me she loves me. I would just like to see her face and give her a hug. That is all.
You wrote,”We have fought hard and long to help the confused see the truth in life, be we only received violent accusations and rude responses. Outright lies and demonic accusations have been thrust at me. Do you remember our last visit old friend?”
Yes, I do remember our last visit. And I have no hard feelings about it. I do not know why you connected it with your comment, but I guess you do.
I did not have untrue accusations against you, I was just simply asking you what happened, and you answered me. Yes there are many things that I do not understand about my past in the church, but I have to let them go and move on in life. You seem to be implying that I have offened you by violent accusations, rude responses, outright lies and demonic accusations. I do not feel that I have been violent or rude. I have not said any outright lies or any lies to my knowledge, and I have not made any demonic accusations against you.
Now with all that said, I want to give my mom a hug and tell her that I love her if she will allow me. I have also requested to speak to my dad. You have said nothing about him in your last letter to me. Please tell him that I want to see him and give him a big hug and tell him that I love him. Tell him I have nothing to urge upon him. I just want to hug him for a bit. I will drive over there and do it at your gate to make it easer on them. But please have me dad call me or email me himself.
Sincerely,
Trudy
Trudy, I will tell them. If they want to speak to you, they are welcome to. If not, I would suggest to you that you give them that freedom.
It is also true that when the lies of the outside world cease, and the false charges dropped that have been made against me, initiated by your sister, then it will all be over and every lying wonder will have passed away. You know very well Trudy that I have never accused you or come against you for choosing the way that you did. Your life is your business and not mine. I still feel that way. I have never been against you or the rest of your family. But I can see and hear, so I have spoken plainly.
Trudy: I have communicated the message to your parents.
Wayne,
Thank you for giving them my message. I have not and will not force them to see me. But I would really apprecaite it if they did. Just for my sake. I know that sounds selfish and maybe it is, but that is how I feel. (-: Again and Again, THank you Thank you Thank you from the bottom of my heart for giving them my message. Incase they lost my email address it is shilohmahana@gmail.com. I would much rather here there voice on the phone but it is up to them.
Thank you again,
Trudy
I only took what you said as truth, and voiced my concern. You initiated everything that is happening to you. You have lied about me and the things I have done. But we won’t get into that.
Wayne, I would just like to say “Thank You” for getting the message to my mother as I was able to speak to her last night.
Wayne,
Publishing the letter from Bernice without expressing that you would act quickly to prevent her self-destructive acts was a very unfortunate tactic in relation to the proper handling of your case. Surely, you were aware that the “authorities” would be obligated to act to protect the welfare of any person for whom they have evidence is taking actions which would do themself irreparable harm. And, your handling of such a letter as though what she proposed was perfectly normal, caused you to immediately be subject to questions about your own mental health.
And what you may not realize is that by doing that, you put yourself in the unenviable position of being unable to prevent a court-directed order for your own mental evaluation pursuant to determining if such a mental illness is related to (or a cause) in the commission of the crime for which you are presently charged. Plus, what is unfortunate is that New Mexico law is unusual in this regard. With such an evaluation, your trial could proceed with the prosecutor asking that you be found GBMI (guilty, but mentally ill). If that verdict is reached, theoretically you could be looking at a life sentence in the state mental health facility, because, if psychiatrists don’t eventually rule you sane enough to function in normal society, you will be treated until they say you are well (it’s as simple as that).
Acting “crazy” is not a very good tactic for defense in New Mexico, because, instead of walking free or being found “not guilty by reason of insanity,” like you can in some states, in New Mexico such a finding can result in a very long (even for the rest of your life) incarceration.
Sam
A new benchmark has been attained. Satisfying the ego has never appeared so pitiful and sad as this.
Trudy: I just received this note from your dad. He writes: “If Trudy contacts you again, Amana and I have talked and agreed that we are still on our word fast until after the 31st. So visiting is out until then. You may pass that on to her.”
He said nothing more. Trudy, I know how people get when they fear losing a loved one. But why is it that these people cannot see the issues? We have not persecuted anyone for their faith, even you. But at the behest of some of your family, we are persecuted for our faith and religious practices. Instead of mourning over what might happen to us, why don’t they just tell their beast to stop persecuting us. Tell them to stop and we will not be forced to fast and pray for our deliverance from the beast.
One thing is sure. We are not going to give up our faith because other people are persecuting us. We will not. History teaches that this has never worked. This persecution has taken the form of sex charges, but these have long proven to be false charges against this “separatist” church. Now they want to charge Jeff with “assisted suicide.” What a crock of BS, if there ever was a crock of BS. It just keeps getting deeper.
Martin Luther King Jr. wrote: “A man who won’t die for something is not fit to live.” What this means is, that if a man will not stand for his faith, even to death, he is not fit to carry out life. Instead of mourning over your imagined loss, why don’t you stand for something? We will never back down, for we do not love our lives unto death. We will be free to practice our religion or we will not be.
Sam: What do you mean “tactic?” You think I am running a manipulative game with the snakes who have come out of their den to attack us. No, we are just transparent here. We have always shared all that we did, with the public. We do something, and then we tell everyone about it. We live on a sea of glass, which is transparent. We do not play the games of your world. We are not political and do things from expediency. We just tell the truth and we tell all. So when Bernice told me what she did, I posted her letter. That is not a game and it surely is not a game with her. She is not going to tolerate the lying forces any longer. When the lying forces stop their lying, then she will stop posting her comments against them and taking stands against them.
In life, sometimes a soul has just had enough, and your world of deceit has certainly put her over the edge of tolerance. She is over 21 year old, and she has the prerogative to do whatever she likes with her life. Tell your world of donkeys to stand down, and that will be her solution.
Wayne,
Thank you for the note from my dad! I will patiently wait.
You wrote the following:
“Trudy, I know how people get when they fear losing a loved one. But why is it that these people cannot see the issues? We have not persecuted anyone for their faith, even you. But at the behest of some of your family, we are persecuted for our faith and religious practices. Instead of mourning over what might happen to us, why don’t they just tell their beast to stop persecuting us. Tell them to stop and we will not be forced to fast and pray for our deliverance from the beast.”
No, you have not persecuted me for my faith. You have persecuted me, because of my lack of faith. But I understand that it was because you cared for me and felt that I was going to go to hell if I did not have faith in what you were doing. I apprecaite it when I look from your point of view, but it was hard from my point of view. You want me to tell them (the beast) to stop. You have made the athorities very upset by your “not so nice words” to them personally, and to others that you are blaiming. You do not even know what or who started this but you are blaming my sister. Yes my sister has posted things about you on her site, that are truth according to her. And some things that are posted there were written by you and the 7 virgins. Her site, is her way of dealing with the hurt that she feels inside. I know my sister personally, and have seen her tears that no one else but God has seen. You take what she says from your point of view and so she looks a certian way to you, and you do not like what you see. Her site is also, to help the ones that have left your church to vent there feelings and get them out in the open air so that healing can come. I have not needed to post their because I have had other ways of dealing with my feelings. I just cry and then go on. And it has worked well for me. That way when I feel hurt, only God knows and then it is all gone and I am better. God has been very good to me and listened to my every cry and held me through it. Even now with all of this going on, yes my heart aches for everyone involved, but I believe in your teachings on cause and effect. When I see you pleading for deliverence and saying that you have been wrongfully accused, I ache inside, because I know what that feels like!!! I used to feel that way a lot when I was in your church, but we were not to argue because we were told that we were not only guilty of what we were accused of but much more. We were guilty of every imaginable bad thing. I remember you coming to where we were living and telling me that I had lied, when I only repeated your words. When I told you that I had only repeated your words, you informed me that you had told me what I wanted to hear. I felt hurt by it but I have had to move on. There have been other things like that that have happened also, that is just the one that comes to my mind right now. I know that time and time again you have told me that it is just the way that I take things, that I twist everything because of who I am, that I look at every thing through my own eyes and judge from who I am. Now you are saying that everything has been twisted and that is what is causing the problems, but that you had no sexual intent. You have also started that you did not know that the state would lie and so you were not expecting them to twist things. I am not saying that they did or didn’t. But I know that you always told us that the state workers, could and would use everything we said against us because they were all liers and murders. So I know that you are not as supprised as you act. All these state workers were good people until they did not do what you wanted. Why can you not see cause and effect? I do not understand, your teachings were good for us but not for you? I find it strange. You have always said that there is freedom in realizing that we have caused everything that has come to us. I fully agree!! That is where I have found freedom. Because I caused it, now I can change it. There is a rest in that revelation, even if I must pay for what I have done and it may not feel good, it still feels good to submit to the things that I have created and not continually fight everything around me.
These are just a few things that I have noticed. I am not trying to attack you. I am just simply stating what I see.
I am sorry that you are having to go through all of this. I know too well what it feels like. But I can not save you. I have done nothing to you. You have done it all to your self.
Wayne, could you please ask my mom to contact me if she feels so inclined and is not still on a word fast?
Thank you your response is appreciated.
Trudy: You seem to be uninformed about my comment that your sister started this. I was clearly informed that Prudence Welch issued the complaint to the CYFD that started the attack against our children first and then myself. She then boasted of it on her website. So, I only know what the authorities tell me. If they made it all up, then I believe wrongly, but I would find it strange that they would implicate Prudence if she had not done so. They have no motive for falsely accusing her. They do have a motive for falsely accusing me.
I am very aware of the laws of cause and effect. “All that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.” I expected this, since we live a godly life. We live for Him. People who live for themselves and their flesh will not suffer persecution.
Yes, I made a lot of people mad because I called their sins by their right name. I don’t patronize evil. Yes, they complain, and retaliate by lying about us, but that is from their context. If they have a heart of evil, they will imagine that I have one also. God made it that way. They did not murder Jesus for nothing. He also said things plainly.
No Wayne,
You are not being persecuted for being Christ. You’re being held accountable for the indecent actions you took part in with underage minor girls. Jesus did not molest little girls. You can cut it anyway you want but its not going to fly.
Just for the record. When I became aware of what Wayne was doing (by his own emails). I did contact the Authorities. They said that They couldn’t do anything, which puzzled me. But … At least I could say that I let them know. That’s it folks…
Julie: Molestation is in your own mind. I would wash it if I were you. Your own evil heart has created a monster in you, and unless you give it up, you are going to be his dinner.
Prudence: It is all the same. You cannot explain away betrayal of these young people. No crimes were committed here. And by urging me to let them do what they did, they are not criminals either. You simply invented a crime to report. I have never posted that I molested children. In my many thousands of pages of information, I have never said that. Neither did the witnesses of the events. You want to project yourself as a loving, caring individual, but your Web site gives you away as a malicious gossip and a bold mocker. You cannot hide behind yourself, for you stick out quite clearly.
“.. that it is just the way that I take things, that I twist everything because of who I am, that I look at every thing through my own eyes and judge from who I am.”
Wayne these words are just as true for you as anyone else. It also says in the bible that a man ways seems right in his own eyes, again this is just as true for you as anyone else you may accuse of having a perverted view. Your insanity stems from your belief that you are different from other men and that these words do not apply to you.
“People who live for themselves and their flesh will not suffer persecution.”
This is a lie because it was not only Christ hung on a cross that day but two criminals as well. Your view is twisted because criminals suffer persecution as much as anyone else does for their “beliefs”. No one escapes cause and effect. What so ever a man sows, so shall he reap. But again Wayne your ways are right in your own eyes and you see yourself as perfect and above all else in the world. You can fornicate with other mens wives, including your own sons wife (ex or not, still fornication because your not legally married to them) and you call it a holy act of God but if any one else was to do it you call it evil. Why? Because you are perfect and holy in your own eyes. You see your self as one of a kind.
Sol: You are wrong. The criminals on each side of Christ were not being persecuted. They were being punished. Jesus was being persecuted over false charges. He had committed no crime.
Yes, I have judged people’s motives out of my own. I have always judged all men pure and honest until they prove otherwise by their own statements. I give everyone the benefit of the doubt until they show by their own works and words who they are. I then can make the judgment that they are criminals, if they tell me themselves, or show me themselves that they are. But until they do that, I judge all men pure in motivations.
It’s very true that Jesus did not commit a crime. What he did was spoke a few words. That is where you differ. You just didn’t speak a few words. You carried out an action that is against the law. It does not matter that an underaged girl may want to fornicate with an older man. That has no bearing in a legal sense. What matters is that the older man should have the sense to abstain from relations with underage girls. On the other hand, we are not talking about a 20 year old man and a 14 year old girl; we are talking about a 66 year old man and a 14 year old girl. How much sense should a 66 year old man have? You do not judge men’s motives as pure or you would have judged mine as that.
Yes Jesus had not committed no crimes. Yes Jesus didn’t even sin but you have. Fornication Wayne, is fornication. Jesus didn’t fornicate with his followers wives but you did. And we who left gave you the benefit of the doubt until you showed by your works and words who you were. Then we made the judgment that you are a criminal, because you have told us yourself, and show us who you are. Until then we judged you pure in motivation.
Wayne,
I want to speak directly to your heart. I am currently sitting on a Superior Court trial jury here in Yuma. This is my first jury duty. I cannot tell anybody anything about the case, but the individual on trial is accused of much more serious offenses than you are. The jury selection was a very painstaking process. I was very impressed with the fairness of it all, and how much the judge showed his great concerns for the accused. It appeared that he really wanted to help the accused and did have the accuseds best interests at heart. I was even more surprised that I was selected. His questions weeded away everyone who could show any degree of unfairness to the court process. And then the legal councils asked all of us questions as well to weed out more. It took us all day for this process to happen. In my opinion this soul is going to receive a fair trial, despite what the lawyers may have said or done, or any other legal procedures in the preparations before the trial. The lawyers and the judges are not the final judges of this person. The jury is. We will judge the facts of the case, and every other issue shown in the courtroom pertaining to the case, in obedience to and also regardless of our instructions from the court. The judge or anyone in that room will not be able to look into any jury members heart, or mind. We will judge from all of our own combined consciences, and a soul will have their day in court. You do not trust the system. The jury is not there to judge the system. We judge the law and the facts of the case presented. The defendant that I looked upon was very peaceful and calm. The defendant reminded me of you. With what I have so-far experienced, I felt honored to be this defendants servant, and I will see and do my part to assure that truth will prevail, as God is my witness.
Have faith that God would do the same for you and insure that you would receive a fair and just trial. Please end your fast, receive nourishment and water, and get on with your life, and we can get on with ours. You have your followers lifes in your very hands. They will support whatever you say and will follow you, even to death. They have proved their love for you. Many of their hearts are pure and undefiled. I know that. Have mercy on your people, and deliver them from a certain death. Lead them unto life, and trust the supreme Life Giver Himself. I beg you, do the right thing. God will not fail you. God’s Hands are not tied. He can deliver the faithful through many means, if we just allow Him to make the choice.
Dear Michael,
In case you enter a word fast, and I do not get the chance to say these words to you, I hope you see them now.
Thank you. From my heart to yours. I sense that a great peace will enter your land, and surround all of you there. I know that God has you all in his care.
Please convey to my sweet sister Bernice, my gratitude for her kind and loving guidance. She is wise beyond her years. Her example, changed my soul, my heart, and my life beyond any word that I could express.
Thank you for teaching me so much about Father, through the old web site, that I did not know. I am blessed for finding all of you. I pray that you’ll be around longer, because I feel that there is so much more for me to learn. Even though my heart is aching today, I understand in the depths of my soul what is taking place here.
I ask, what is it that I can do? If there is anything, please let me know.
With love from my heart to all of yours,
Tabatha
I must say I do not have the strength to visit any more with all of my disgruntled and offended ex-church members. I don’t think Mark Horner’s site was intended for a host of discontents to vent their rage at me. You all have a personal vendetta, and a miserable grudge, and I will leave you with yourselves. I have tried my best to answer honest hearts, but I have found very few of them here. You forget that I know you all. I know of your many perversions, your sick attitudes, and your own vile lives. You accuse me, but you are only looking into your own mirror, accusing me for your own fornications. You believe that I am one such as yourselves. I think your accusations against me fit you very well, but you do not know me, and it appears that you never will. I will not answer the ex-members again.
Dear Tabatha, perhaps you missed it. Please write to me at wcbent@mail.com. It is an email I no longer use but I will check it for you. I will then tell you how to reach us.
I want to say also, that your statement about your sister turned on some bells for us. Bernice said that when she received some emails that were supposed to be from you, she knew a different spirit was writing. We believe that others were using your email to write to us, saying that they were you. It introduced much confusion into the discussion. But now it appears God has delivered you from those wicked forces. Please write, for you are welcome, and the word fast will not be for the likes of you. We only fast from the devil and the adversary.
Goodbye Wayne. Your manipulative, spoiled brat shenanigans aside…I wouldn’t want to keep you from your appointment with insignificance.
“I must say I do not have the strength to visit any more with all of my disgruntled and offended ex-church members.” That quote sure says alot!
As I said before you think you are better than us, one of a kind, perfect in your on eyes as always Lucifer. You have always believe that about yourself.
“I know of your many perversions, your sick attitudes, and your own vile lives. You accuse me, but you are only looking into your own mirror, accusing me for your own fornications.”
And again anything you say of us applies just as well to you. All anyone had to do is read your sites to see that is true. I was with you for 11 years and I believe I know you well enough. I was told to leave the property because you knew I had your number and wasn’t just going sit there while you spread lies. But you see I never wanted to worship you as a god like the others around me there did and that is why I could tell you to your face you went over the edge. Told Dave and Vicky when I was leaving to call me when you started sleeping with the wives out there. Apparently I was right on both counts. So did I know you? I know a devil when I see one.
Well Tim, I think I owe you a little response since I have never communicated with you knowingly. I appreciated having you in our little church, but over time you seemed weary of life. Whenever I visited with you it was always about how bad your wife treated you. I always told you it was you, and not your wife. When you had the little sexual contact with Elizabeth, you had to be separated for a time and when you came back you seemed humble and sweet. I hoped you could make your wife happy for once, but after a few weeks you were miserable again by how your wife treated you. Your wife was a sweet little creature with a lot of life in her, but you just seemed to weigh her down with your “poor me” spirit. She felt as though you were using the Bible to make an excuse for owning her soul. You demanded that the husband has the right over the woman. I told you that he does not. No woman could stand your oppressive behavior for long. Why is it that you cannot just repent of yourself, and go on with life, instead of being miserable and hateful.
After you left us you stole the wife and kids of another man. She had five children. You stole her affections while the husband was working, as I understand. She was with you for awhile, but finally had to leave you. She reported that you were always depressed or angry over something. I thought, Yes, that is the Tim that I know. I know you are miserable Tim. I haven’t seen a more miserable person lately. But I honestly tried to help you.
No, I didn’t know you had any number. I was not threatened by you at all. No Tim, I never said that I was God. I said that God was in me, and I wanted Him to be in you too. I never asked anyone to worship me. I told them not to, because some of our folks loved me very much. The appearing in me was for everyone. I was not better than anyone, and I still do not see myself that way.
I have never slept around with anyone’s wives. Ask the families in our church who have husbands and wives and children if I have slept around with them. Everything that has happened here is fully documented by all witnesses. I did not do what you did, Tim. Things here were quite different, but I can surely understand why you attack me, because of your own character. You are making me into one such as yourself. That is understandable.
I hope you can get on with life. Your ex-wife told me the other day that she thought that at one time there was a light in you. Is it all out now Tim, or is that sweet Spirit still hanging around somewhere. I hope you find it.
Wayne, you used to “I am an angel”, “I am Christ” and “I am humanity and divinity combined.”
Now that you are up to your ears in trouble, you’re saying “Yes, I’m Jesus, but so is everybody else who believes in Jesus.
This is such a childish tactic and obvious attempt to cover your tracks! I have no personal reason to hate you, but I do hate liars, and manipulators of children, and you are both.
I daily pray for the people in Strong City. I am praying for a miracle. My heart is so heavy…
Hanifa, I know that you must be reading this and are fasting too. I think often of our conversations and just re-read portions of them tonight. I was so worried but you were so sure back then that this wasn’t going to end in suicide. I believed you, I think, or at least I wanted to. How can you do this? How can you let this happen to your girls? I don’t know how to say goodbye to someone that is starving themselves to death.
And Wayne, just shut up. I already know what you think of me and I don’t care. You’re a monster to let this happen.
Sir, I’m blown away by the recent events with the LOR Church. Ive always believed in the return of Christ not in one man but every man. That Christ is seen by the world in his bride. His return to me is as real as his resurrection. Maybe you dont remember but ive conversed with you before i sent a cd and some letters. You did respond a few times. I read the Shillum text it was genius. The Winds although i didnt agree with all the interpretations i always felt it was very intelligent, and for the most part the father was being represented well.I felt maybe you took to much glory for yourself with the return of the Messiah. Instead of Christ returned in me, it was hey look at me i am Christ. I’m not judging you i couldnt. I dont know Gods plan for you maybe these things he has put on your heart are for a diffrent outcome than what i would expect. That being said I have misinterpreted what God has said to me. Because of somthing i wanted i thought surely God must want this for me also . i’m not saying thats your case only mine.I’ve tried to put sanctions on God to get help where i thought i should have it, by fasting, and other means.later i realized what i was trying, and asked for forgivness. Sir im not saying your doing this only i have done it . I hope you dont think I’m hitting you with anything negitive i dont feel that way for you. although, i see why some people might be more emotional torwards you. To me your like a teacher i had and respected whose having a very hard time. What im asking is, wasnt the message more important than the man? Wasnt it more important that Christ return instead of superman in everyman?That was truly my hope for the world. I know God is at the helm, and all things work for his Glory. I guess i didnt want that message, Gods message, to get lost some how, but as i finish this somehow im sure it wont..Good luck sir im sure this will all work out as God intended it to. I pray he brings a resolve to your church .. In Yashua’s name I pray AMEN! mikejames
Mike James. Do you really believe God wanted Wayne to force himself upon his son’s wife? Or that God wanted teen aged girls to lay naked on Wayne’s bed?
I have news for you, Wayne Bent is about as far from God’s idea of a spiritual leader as you can get. Don’t believe me, just ask the people whose families have been torn apart by his manipulations.
Pray for poor Wayne if you want, but I will pray that he gets what he has coming in court!
Mike James. Do you really believe God wanted Wayne to force himself upon his son’s wife? Or that God wanted teen aged girls to lay naked on Wayne’s bed?
I have news for you, Wayne Bent is about as far from God’s idea of a spiritual leader as you can get. Don’t believe me, just ask the people whose families have been torn apart by his manipulations.
Pray for poor Wayne if you want, but I will pray that he gets what he has coming in court!
Philip
28 Oct 08 at 3:13 am
Mike James. Do you really believe God wanted Wayne to force himself upon his son’s wife? Or that God wanted teen aged girls to lay naked on Wayne’s bed?
I have news for you, Wayne Bent is about as far from God’s idea of a spiritual leader as you can get. Don’t believe me, just ask the people whose families have been torn apart by his manipulations.
Pray for poor Wayne if you want, but I will pray that he gets what he has coming in court!
Philip
28 Oct 08 at 3:13 am
I’m sorry, i’m not very computer savy.
I thought i said I didn’t know what God wanted for Wayne, but sometimes i dont express myself very well. Thank you for the news about Wayne and God’s idea for spiritual leaders. It seems ive offended you and i dont know you. I’m very sorry.I did not want to offend anyone. Please forgive me. I thought I would pray for the Church and poor Wayne also. To me what was important was the message that Christ has returned. Not in one man but all man. I will disengage i had no desire to create more problems or emotional stress for anyone..
Now I’m sorry Mike. I just didn’t want you to waste your time worrying about an obvious charlatan. I am not offended in any way, and sorry if it seemed like I blasted you.
My 2 questions were sincere though…
I guess since Michael (Wayne) has passed judgment on the world for so many years, and sentenced all who are not members of his immediate church to death, it’s now the worlds turn to judge him for the sins he is accused of.
It sounds like many have already made their decisions based on what others have said, but maybe some should wait for the whole evidence of both sides to be presented before making that choice.
I myself have read most of the LOR’s web-site and have most of their writings on file. In a lot of the writings from the women of the church they made their own decisions of whether or not they wanted to live a certain way or not. They all feel they are being lead by God in heaven, so who is to say they are not? If Michael where a 30 or 40 year old handsome man, would he be more acceptable to many of you who seem to be stuck on his age or looks? As for the women who were supposedly under the age of consent according to the laws of the state of New Mexico, what laws were actually broken? The one known as Healed, I have read her testimony and her blog. She apparently knows what she wants and her parents even after removing her once before, returned her back to the camp. Now if she was in that much danger then why was she returned to them? She has never complained about being abused by Michael or anyone else at this place. I have watched many of the videos from the web-site, and have only seen total devotion on the faces of all the women when speaking of Michael or their life with this Cult. The only time I have seen Stress on their faces is when the State started their investigation.
My own Mother was 15 when she got married and had her first child at 16. She knew what was going on, and she and my father stayed married. I have had friends and relatives that have married as young as 13 and 14 years old. They had to have parental consent, but were able to marry, and it was their decision. If man passed a law that all people over the age of 30 must be put to death because they have lived too long, would that be acceptable and enforceable? Many young adults are emancipated at 16 yrs of age by their parents for some reason. If they can be emancipated at that age then why don’t we give every 16 year old their own voice and right to chose?
I remember when I was 12 and I knew exactly what I was doing every moment of the day. If I made a wrong choice I had no one to blame, but myself. These women that are involved with his church they new what they wanted and asked for. As for brainwashing I don’t believe it for a minute. To be manipulated, if guidance is being manipulated then we are all being manipulated.
My prayer is that we give him more consideration and judge him like you would want to be judged if you were in his shoes’. Look at all the evidence and not just the words you hear. Look at faces and expressions, read body languages. This will tell you more than someone’s’ words. Read the testimonies of all who are involved and weed out the one’s that are not.
this is not for wayne, wayne is already hopeless,there is nothing anyone can say that could bring wayne back into the light of god or jesus, this is for waynes followers and others decieved by his works and for those that god is dealing with presently showing you the fruits of gods work here on this planet we call earth, first its no accident you are here in the flesh on this planet earth ,god makes no mistakes., you are here for a great purpose and it may not be evident to you yet, but to harm yourself or give away the great gift of life that GOD has purposefully given and assigned to you to be here is no less than a blasphemy against god, your purpose here will be revealed in the time that GOD will choose and not wayne the man., and I know wayne the man claims that god works and speaks thru him but i say ask yourself would jesus isolate all of his followers from the world., take all they have and all they will have away for himself to control and use how he pleases., dissovle all the marriages made by god, (and it is by god as in your early marriages you loved each other) would jesus want any prophet to dissolve all your marriages so that he may have the wives for multiple sex partners??? Just look at the slow progression of what is happening at strong and you will see the children were next in line for his use, do you think he would say no sex with them when there 18?? He is already on the blogs speaking of thier maturity of age in the law., is that not enough evidence of his intensions., would jesus use the calling of god, the greatness of gods word., the power of gods greatness for destroying families so that he may fornicate with the wives and children??????? please listen,, wayne is going to tell you all kinds of words to turn you to him and follow but i say to you to look at the fruit the tree of wayne bears., the works of wayne., you are all great children of god and always will be , but just look at the direction wayne has taken you, and its not the worlds fault., its waynes works., wayne will tell you the world and all the people in it are evil but did god say the earth was good in genesis., yes all created of god was and is good and jesus said no different of it, you have a destiny here and its not waynes destiny., jesus had no doctrine of fear and hate ,but i assure you ,if you look , all is bad in waynes eyes which is much different from our saviours eyes and light., jesus was the light., when you think of wayne does the idea of light come to mind??? Just like wayne is here so are other dark figures and spirts that are self absorbed and working for thier own purpose but that is the reason our GOD prescribed earth journey is so important, to enlighten our spirit to what is good or evil so that we will be great angels in heaven and GOD put you with wayne so you can see the darkness and know what it is and now you are ready for a new earth journey as jesus prescribed to move on to other places and people as he did and think no bad of yourself, it was all forseen and known and gods way of making you a better spirit and now you are ready to enlighten others of your times at strong with wayne so that they may not be decieved., GOD BLESS YOU YOU ARE LOVED YOUR LIFE OF LIGHT IS HERE TO SEE
Dolly, you have an interesting arguement. What do you think of this part of Healed’s testimony:
“That night I went to Michael’s house. He was in bed. I went in and I was talking to Him, and I asked Him if I could lie next to Him on His bed.
He said I could but He told me that He first wanted me to ask my mom and dad. He told me that He always does things the RIGHT way. It was hard for me because I didn’t feel like I wanted to wait later, but I did. The next day I called my mom and dad and asked them about it. They HESITATED at first but then I told them I was not asking to be naked with Michael. I was asking to with both of our clothes on. They agreed to that. I felt unsure what I wanted. It was in my heart to lay naked with Michael, but I did not think I could and I was afraid to. My mom and dad could tell I was unclear what I wanted. That evening I went and said good night to Michael and told Him what my mom and dad said. He agreed also.”
A few days later (after yet another of her peers has slept with Wayne) she writes,
“I went to bed that night with it strong on me to lay naked with Michael. All the time since Michael shared with us about Danielle and Esther lying naked with Him I desired to lay naked with Michael. And when He shared about Moriah it became not only a desire, but that I had to lay skin to skin with Michael. At times I would be lying in my bed and it was almost like Michael was in my bed with me holding me skin to skin with Him. This particular night I was lying in my bed and I had been reading things in my journal. After I was done I was lying there and the desire became so intense that I did not want to be in my bed anymore. I wanted to be in Michael’s bed with Him. I wanted to lay naked with Michael so much that I thought about calling my mom and dad that night and asking them if I could. I thought that I would share it with Michael and see what He would tell me. I went up to His house. I went and stood at His window. I remember giving the desire to Father, and it was ok if He did not give it to me. I was out there for about half an hour then Michael called out the window and asked if someone was there. He asked me if something was on my heart and I said yes. He told me I could come in. He told me the he was just about to sleep and he heard a cracking sound, and He thought He would call out the window to see if anyone was there. He asked me what was on my heart, so I told Him. He asked me what I thought it would do for me. I told Him I didn’t know except that I needed something, something deeper. I was lying on His chest and He then said to me,
“You may.” I didn’t move. I thought for some reason that He was spiritually speaking or something. He then asked me if I was scared and then I realized He really meant it. I said,
“You really mean it? Right now, take my clothes OFF?” He said, “YES.”
I said, “But I thought you said I had to get permission from my parents first?”
He said, “Yes, but I remember they said they trusted Me. That is enough.” I said, “So I really can, right now?” He said, “Yes.” So, I jump off His bed, strip my clothes, and jumped in bed with Him. It felt so natural to me and it did not feel weird, almost like I had done it many times before.”
Do you think a 13 year old, raised in this closed off environment, has the knowledge to know whether or not she is being touched in an innappropriate manner? When all of her peers & adult mentors are doing the same thing? Is she not feeling peer pressure? She self-admittedly states she is confused before it happens? Do you not think her parents “trusted Wayne to do the right thing” and NOT touch their daughter? Could he not have touched her….oh, say…forehead, and healed her? And this one has not been addressed in any forum: Why did only people of the female gender get skin to skin? Is it pure coincinence that the only people that needed healing or to be part of the “religious parable” (nice one, Jeff) are female???
David, I asked them that question over and over when several members talked to us at great length on the Heathen Hub. Not once would anyone acknowledge the question because it cuts too close to home. If it was only about healing and not about sex why don’t the men and older women need that kind of healing? One time when I asked about the men I was told that it was a homosexual abomination. That wouldn’t be true if it wasn’t about sex.
The other question that no one would answer was whether or not they would commit suicide if ‘Michael’ wanted them to. The only answer that I could get was that only satan’s voice would tell someone to kill themselves. I guess that somehow they’ve redefined suicide.
No matter how strange their cult is I’m having a terrible time accepting that those people that I talked to could be dead very soon. I hope so much that ‘Michael’ tells them to stop this fast.
God bless the people at strong city now and those that have recently left for your desire to find your way to god and piety is your witness to your true spirit., in acts peter when asked how to find god truly without deception., explained that god channels to those who read the word themselves., 2pe 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation
2pe 2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
2pe 2:2 And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.
2pe 2:3 And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not.
2pe 2:4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;
2pe 2:9 The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished:
2pe 2:10 But chiefly them that walk after the flesh in the lust of uncleanness, and despise government. Presumptuous are they, selfwilled, they are not afraid to speak evil of dignities.
2pe 2:11 Whereas angels, which are greater in power and might, bring not railing accusation against them before the Lord.
2pe 2:12 But these, as natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed, speak evil of the things that they understand not; and shall utterly perish in their own corruption;
2pe 2:13 And shall receive the reward of unrighteousness, as they that count it pleasure to riot in the day time. Spots they are and blemishes, sporting themselves with their own deceivings while they feast with you;
2pe 2:14 Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children:
2pe 2:15 Which have forsaken the right way, and are gone astray, following the way of Balaam the son of Bosor, who loved the wages of unrighteousness;
2pe 2:18 For when they speak great swelling words of vanity, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through much wantonness, those that were clean escaped from them who live in error.
2pe 2:19 While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage.
2pe 2:20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.
2pe 2:21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.
2pe 2:22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.
to the followers at strong city., you are truly loved and precious beings and if jesus were here today, he would want nothing more, but only to save your life,as the written word states when jesus moved among the people he brought no suffering and only healed the people., if all around you seems dark and evil with hopelessness forever then you need to get out of there as this is the spirit of death lingering., as you look all around you at the suffering on the faces of loved ones you are looking at the death mark., dont accept this mark on your spirit and it will leave your physical body and you will truly be saved., six feet of spirit lost and six feet of body six feet under the earth is not going to be the right answer.,please save your soul and allow it to be nurtured and delivered the way it was destined to be by god as it is no mistake that you are here., when god first created heaven and angels lucifer turned 1\3 of the angels against god and those turned were cast out of heaven and so now we must go thru a flesh exisistance and thru this we find our way to where we go and heaven is at peace as promised on our arrival and help me to stop lucifer from winning this in new mexico at strong city., please help me ., you know what to do,,, just leave ., wait ., the new direction will come., you cant see it now its blocked., you have to put the first foot forward and god will follow as we have CHOICE WHERE WE WANT TO BE., NO ONE CAN STOP YOU., JUST LEAVE., THE DIRECTION WILL COME IF NOT INSTANTLY THEN JUST BE PATIENT SOMETIMES IT TAKES MANY DAYS BUT BE SURE IT WILL COME AND THRU GODS WAY OF TEACHING YOU WILL BE DIRECTED